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Trading for a rarity just to trade it for something else?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk & Help' started by musicman7070, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Advocate (530) New Jersey Aug 26, 2012 Verified

    I recently thought about this and was wondering what all of your views on this are. I thought the point of trading was to get non localized beers to consume and not just trade away for something else that you want. I would feel like I was being taken advantage of or something. I mean if I'm trading something to someone, im trading it thinking they really want it to drink not to just send away. It just doesn't seem right to me. What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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  2. JGates

    JGates Zealot (90) California May 18, 2011

    In my opinion, the point of trading IS to get non localized beers to consume. But certainly not consume immediately. If someone trades x for y, and then trades y for z, he is still trading beer for something he could not get. Don't feel taken advantage of as long as you were happy with your trade.
  3. Yeah I probably wouldn't feel that way unless I really hooked someone up, like sent a small brewery-only release for off the shelf locals, under the impression that they really wanted to try the beer I sent. But I would generally only do something like that with an established trading partner, where trading up wouldn't usually be much of a concern.
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  4. jsilva

    jsilva Savant (365) Massachusetts Nov 10, 2009

    Sometimes you trade for something then come across the chance to try it somewhere else. Then you can retrade for something you havent had and retrade.
  5. maximum12

    maximum12 Champion (910) Minnesota Jan 21, 2008 Verified

    No offense OP, but this has been discussed many times. I'll cut to the chase:

    A. No, I'd never trade a rarity I traded for. That's stupid. Y'all who disagree are stupid.
    B. Yes, it's my beer. Once I trade for it, I own it. Y'all who disagree are commies (or socialists).
    C. Who cares, long as both original traders are happy. Y'all who disagree lose the Internets.

    This thread will probably go on for 47 hours & encompass nothing not noted above. If someone has an original thought on the subject, I'll be pleased & mildly excited.
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  6. JohnGalt1

    JohnGalt1 Champion (895) Idaho Aug 10, 2005 Verified

    I make it a point to tell folks that I will not trade the beer they send me.

    It bothers me the few times where somebody appealed to my emotional side to get rare beer from me and then they turned around and traded it away almost immediately. I have also found beer that I traded people on Ebay. How do I know it was beer that I traded? Because people list the bottle numbers.

    I know that I should probably not care because those bottles are not mine anymore, but I feel like they lied to me to get something they would otherwise likely not have the ammo to pull out the trade.
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  7. Devi0us

    Devi0us Advocate (565) California May 3, 2011

    I honestly could care less...Once your trade with the OP is completed, the beer is now the property of the OP...He could drink it, trade it, drain pour it, sleep with it, give it to Black Xantus for all I care as long as I was happy with the beer that I received...

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  8. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Advocate (530) New Jersey Aug 26, 2012 Verified

    Sorry man. The thought was on my mind and just decided to post. I should have looked for previous threads such as this one before I posted.
  9. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Advocate (530) New Jersey Aug 26, 2012 Verified

    I get what you and everyone else is saying, and I completely agree. I just get a lot of satisfaction providing people with beer they couldn't get otherwise. I guess I shouldn't be so sensitive to this issue. I suppose this happens more than I originally thought.
  10. pschul4

    pschul4 Advocate (660) Illinois Jan 7, 2011 Verified

    Here is my take:
    You trade rare beer X for rare beer Y and give him rare beer Q along with local beers A,B & C as extras.
    1. He trades rare beer Y for rare beer Z => you have no reason to be angry, this was the agreed upon trade and he can do what he wants with his beer
    2. He trades rare beer Q for rare beer Z => Now you have a reason to be upset. You went out of your way to hook him up with a beer you thought he would like and your action was a pure act of generosity. I understand its still "his beer to do with what he likes" but its a DICK MOVE to trade away extras for personal gain

  11. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Advocate (735) Massachusetts Mar 17, 2009 Verified

    Seems ironic to say that since you traded the beer to that person instead of drinking it.
  12. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Michigan Mar 17, 2010

    Personally, I like to drink beer too much to re-trade it. Especially if it's something I have never had. What if it ends up being my favorite beer ever? If I had re-traded it before opening it, I would have never known...
  13. Rempo

    Rempo Advocate (625) Indiana Jan 18, 2010

    Personally, I like to trade beer too much to drink it. Especially if it's something I have never traded. What if it ends up being my favorite trade ever? If I had drank it before trading it, I would have never known...
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  14. it's interesting to watch the trading forums and predict who the second coming of mikesgroove will be. i did pretty well in the deadpool last year, though i was way off about grumpyoldtroll. fucking deceptive username.
  15. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Michigan Mar 17, 2010

    This sounds awfully familiar... I think I'm going to contact my lawyer for possible plagiarism charges. Know any good ones?
  16. I have never done it and won't. But, once it is your beer do what ever you want.
  17. A lot of people within the community have some sort of sub-hobby within the hobby (ticking, collecting, drinking, trading for the sake of trading, profit, some combination of these or others), so I think it's hard to generalize the point of trading for everyone and the various reasons why one trades helps keep things interesting. Whatever one's primary goal is, it's always best to be honest about intentions and sensitive to others' expectations about a deal, and obviously, some of those sub-hobbies are easier to reconcile with this than others. But if you're hiding something from your trade partner or otherwise distorting the truth, that's not cool.
  18. So do people that trade then go to the ISO:FT thread to see if their beer pops up? Really? I have about 15 completed trades and honestly every one of them could have re-traded those beers and I wouldn't even have known it.

    Who. Cares.

    I'm too busy drinking the beer I traded FOR to worry about the beer I traded AWAY.
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  19. jaIsPoAn

    jaIsPoAn Savant (400) New York Aug 1, 2012 Verified

    Who cares what "they " do
  20. interesting dichotomy between your avatar and your post.
  21. Etan

    Etan Champion (765) Wisconsin Jul 11, 2011

  22. i remember the guy who traded things and eventually traded a paperclip up to a house. i hope one day to hear the legend of the one who turned a steel reserve tallboy into a dave.
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  23. That man would have to hold the longest winning streak in history
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  24. kmello69

    kmello69 Advocate (645) Texas Nov 27, 2011 Verified

    How about a guy who gives away the extras you sent him as extras? That one gives me a sad the most
  25. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Michigan Mar 17, 2010

    Thanks for making me actually look up dichotomy and disparity. Still trying to figure out which one is accurate.
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  26. Devi0us

    Devi0us Advocate (565) California May 3, 2011

    What if Rare Beer Q is a style that you hate or know you won't drink then what? You're not allowed trade it for a style that you want or a beer that you're gonna drink withiut it being a DICK MOVE?
  27. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Michigan Mar 17, 2010

    I dunno about you, but I try to avoid sending styles my trading partner hates as extras, especially if it's a rarer bottle that I know someone else will really love...
  28. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Initiate (0) Illinois Nov 23, 2010

    I just did this for my Sandy Hook LIF box. Kewl dood from MN sent me two Abrasives. Happily shared one with my fwend, saw AnnArborJoe had it on his wants, and tossed it in.

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  29. Devi0us

    Devi0us Advocate (565) California May 3, 2011

    I try to send extras that my trading partners like as well I also use seekabrew to see what they can't get so I can send awesome extras...I also ALWAYS ask what styles that they like but I've had a few trades where I've recieved extras and was like "what the fuck"
  30. MordorMongo

    MordorMongo Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2009

    I am in the camp that, no matter how hard I try to care, I cannot bring myself to care what someone does with a beer I traded or extra'd them. Sure I hope they will drink and enjoy it, that would be optimal. But if they re-trade it, flip it on eBay, drink it with a straw before they make their next snuff film, or take it out to their driveway and smash it to the ground it doesn't effect my life because it is THEIR beer.

    I don't think I have ever intentionally traded an extra but fuck man, I drink and have VERY few braincells left so I won't pretend to say that is a FACT thus forcing Levi to spend all evening pouring through my post history to prove me wrong.
  31. cfh64

    cfh64 Champion (785) Texas Aug 16, 2005 Verified

    The more I've traded the less I mind. It's becoming more common that I get extras that I already have plenty of or have had multiple times. If someone else has it on their wants or if I think they will enjoy it more than myself then I send it their way. Likewise, I don't know everything my trading partners have and haven't had. If I send them an extra and they in turn trade it for a beer they want more or give it someone who would really appreciate it than everyone wins. Either way, I made someone happy with a beer, hopefully :)

    There was one instance when I asked a guy who xtra'd me 2 Heady Toppers (actually I think it was NJOssie) if he cared that I wanted to send one of them to a noob trader I was dealing with. I felt bad because a.) I love the beer and b.) its an extremely nice gesture for someone to send HT as an extra but I knew it would makes this noobs day. NJOssie would have probably never found out but I have a guilty conscience like that. NJOssie was completely cool with it and the noob was VERY happy and appreciative.

    Edit: I actually think NJOssie thought I was a nut for asking him.
  32. kmello69

    kmello69 Advocate (645) Texas Nov 27, 2011 Verified

    I'd be cool too, if someone asked, but it rubs me the wrong way when I go out of my way to pick something local for someone that I know they havent had and couldnt get on their own, and then find out they gave it away rather than drinking it.

    Whatever, its their beer, but I dont have to like it. :)
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  33. JeepCop

    JeepCop Savant (280) Kansas May 16, 2010 Verified

    I generally try to trade for at least (x2) of a beer that I've never had before. If I like it, I've got another one on standby. If I don't, I'll trade it to someone that hasn't tried it or just wants it.
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  34. jrnyc

    jrnyc Champion (850) New York Mar 21, 2010 Verified

    I agree, in the spirit of being a good trader I went above and beyond to trade something and they turned around and retraded it I wouldn't be happy.
  35. seplo

    seplo Savant (490) Connecticut Sep 8, 2009 Verified

    Couldnt have said it better...CHEERS
  36. maximum12

    maximum12 Champion (910) Minnesota Jan 21, 2008 Verified

    Oh, not busting your nads at all. It just brings out the same arguments, but hey, probably from different people!
  37. pschul4

    pschul4 Advocate (660) Illinois Jan 7, 2011 Verified

    Take it to a tasting. I just hate the idea of profiting off of someone elses generosity
  38. I have been getting a lot of multiple, easy to obtain extras from trades around the country lately. I have passed some of them along to other local traders that I trade with. I drink some and I pass some along. I don't see that as an issue.

    I also receive some obviously because they still have packing tape on them.
  39. cavedave

    cavedave Poobah (1,060) New York Mar 12, 2009 Verified

    I only trade for beers I want to drink. I could see the point of trading for a BIF box, but otherwise what is the point of trading, and spending the money we do, unless we drink the beer? Put another way, I work too hard for those beers I get in trade not to enjoy them myself.
  40. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Savant (375) Maine Oct 28, 2011

    Just make sure you "win" every trade and it doesnt matter.