Discussion in 'Beer Trading General / Help' started by Bluecane, Feb 14, 2013.
OP gives new meaning to the term "beer geek"
All of these bad trader threads (and now analyses) is making this forum my least favorite on BA. That's sad, because 2012 Beer Trading/General Help forum and I had some good times together.
26 years and counting, my friend! The geek part, anyway.
Insufficiently, my dear SDT.
Pfft. Those read like they were written by 2013 join dates.
Nah man, no need to crack down on the 2013 guys. The 2012 shall forever twenty twelve it up in here. You just missed the cutoff, lucky you.
So 2012 is this forum's "summer". Interesting.
Sure does feel like 2012 up in here.
I think you need to give people a bit of time, but not too long. It's really hard to say what the right length of time is, as I think it varies in every situation.
A day is way too soon, a month is probably too late. Two weeks after missing an agreed upon shipping date with no good reasons and/or poor communication is probably about right.
I have no issue with people outing people earlier IF they are clearly actively trading, as in that case you KNOW there are other possible *victims*. That said, there seems to be a trend of premature ejaculation lately with some threads. I still say better safe than sorry but yes, SOME avenues should be given time to run their course before outing someone.
If you are to the point where you feel the need to post a thread about it, you should just post the name of the offending party. You probably aren't getting your beer anyway.
In my one experience though, several friends of the guy who owed me a bottle made it right on his behalf...so sometimes it can work out.
Have I told you gents lately that I haven't received my Heady Topper from Sunglasses yet? I mean it WAS shipped on Monday via FedEx... for the 3rd time.
I feel you should start a bad trader thread on shades, for no other reason to see him string together a tapestry of obscenity.
I think he's been terminated by the owners here.
The dude really effed me and a few others. Nothing like a seemless good first trade experience, eh?
Any good samiritans that would like to ship me a can of Heady Topper will in-turn receive a goody shipped back at them.
Sweet, I will go file for a restraining order now then.
If you can come to Camrbridge, MA on 3/15 at night, then I can probably hook ya up! Might be able to stop on way from VT, but I don't know where you are, nor do I know the area geography anyway.
One thing I hate is the nuking of these threads. The bros have talked about the value of ones time posting (I would quote the thread but am on my phone) but then nuke the 5 + page threads. I get it sometimes. Other times let it live. There is a bit of value in every thread
Wish I could.
If you pick up a bunch and want to swing a trade, please hit me up.
Book I Section IV
Thrasymachus continues to bluster and to engage in persiflage. He argues that most people are "good" in appearance only; they do "right" things or try to pursue dike (the way things ought to be) only because they are ignorant, or stupid, or afraid of the punishment of the law. Strong men and intelligent men have the courage to do wrong; they can out-think simpler citizens and overpower weaker ones, weaker in whatever sense. Injustice (adikia) is the best course of action; the unjust man can take advantage of his fellows in every instance; he can cheat on his taxes, rob the public coffers and defraud the public, juggle books in a position of trust, and so on. And if one steals, Thrasymachus says, one ought to steal big. The more power, the better: The tyrant's life is the good life. At this point, Thrasymachus would like to leave the debate.
Socrates says that Thrasymachus is wrong on three counts: that the unjust man is more knowledgeable than the just, that injustice is a source of strength; and that injustice brings happiness.
In his argument at this point, Socrates again employs analogies, in this case the physician and the flute-player. We notice, Socrates says, that it is the ignorant man who always attempts home-remedies; always the man ignorant of music who attempts to outdo the musician and thereby shows his ignorance of the art.
Next, Socrates reminds Thrasymachus that even thieves have to trust one another and to show it by a fair division of their ill-gotten gain. That is, they too have to practice a kind of justice; otherwise, a gang of thieves would break up and their little "state" would degenerate into disunity, chaos, unhappiness. Unjust men, at whatever level of their practicing injustice, degenerate from an assumed strength to weakness.
Socrates' next argument advances analogies of the pruning hook, the eye, the ear, and the soul, all of which possess their several essences, what we may call their essential functions, or virtues. The eye sees, the ear hears, the pruning knife cuts well. These are their several virtues. What of man and his virtue in this instance? Man's virtue herein is his justice; it enables him to live well in harmony with others and to be happy. Only justice can bring happiness. Injustice at whatever level brings chaos, discord, unhappiness. In thus producing happiness, justice may be said to be more profitable than injustice.
At this point Thrasymachus quits the debate.
Found it http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/edit-delete-threads.47329/
Shouldn't it be a scarlet BA?
Didn't you get called out as being a fraud trying to get people to send you beers for free in the last thread because you had the same join date as the guy you called out? You sure are living up to that.....
I would combine this with Pirsig's additions to the argument concerning quality. This is the truth, and always will be. Those who live their lives with this argument in mind will prove its value to themselves.
Plenty of good Samaritans on this site. In your case I suggest you pick out some established traders in Vt., message them, and you send first.
I don't have any HT, but if I did I would not be sending it to you and waiting for you to send back, nor sending at the same time. To me the join date thing is too much to ignore. You are a "you send first guy" to me.
What's up with you, man? Seriously?
I mentioned in jest that if anyone did have any HT I would be happy to swing a trade. I just completed another trade in which I gladly shipped first. I will ship first everytime... I could care less and actually trust people, hence me being screwed by Sunglasses.
You act like I am some criminal here from your posts in my threads and frankly, I don't appreciate it.
Move on now, please.
Seriously????? Good God, the conspiracy theory. Comical... and sad.
Easy, you are the one who said send me some HT I will send something back, and anyone on the site under a year under ten trades sends first with me. Not all of us are all sunshine and lollipops with noobs who don't even bother to follow the most rudimentary laws of trading (noobs trading with noobs is trouble is the first most obvious of these).
It was said in jest... not for the purpose of trying to screw somone. Jeezus.
And, I was unaware I wasn't allowed to trade with other "noobs" or needed to follow the "rudimentary laws of trading".
Here's my LAW of trading: I agree to send something and I do so, the next day, and provide a tracking number that day. I just started here so I only have 2 trades so far. I have followed my law both times and intend to do so, every time.
I haven't traded yet so maybe I'm wrong. But I do know how to read. I think that what cavedave is saying is if you continue to follow your "rules of trading," he will trade with you. Eventually, if you prove to be a reliable guy, he may even ship first. However, if ou decide to wear sunglasses in your avatar, all bets are off.
What about the pros and cons of butt sex?
I don't ever expect someone to ship first to me. And I have no issue whatsoever with shipping first. EVERY time.
You are allowed to do whatever you want. If you are a noob and you trade with a noob it shouldn't be a great surprise what might happen.
You can jump out of a tree, or mix ammonia and bleach too. Don't be surprised if not everyone is sympathetic when you tell them about the trouble that happened afterwards. Some folks might even tell you that you were foolish to do it.
Thank you. It has been nice to meet your acquaintance here.
I've been a member of this site for longer than the majority of you in this thread. I have also traded far less than most. My rule is this. Don't screw me and I won't screw you. Noob or experienced trader. If the person is setting out to screw someone, time makes absolutely no difference.
Bradystraps - If I had something to trade to you I would. And we can ship at the same time. I don't really care. I approach trading with open arms.
In Bradystraps' defense I posted a purely hypothetical scenario on how someone could profit from the general reaction to these threads, I never said he was actually trying to pull the scheme off. At the time he did not have his location in his profile.
It is purely coincidence (maybe) that his future comments supported my scenario. However I will refer bradystraps to the famous line in Hamlet, act iii scene ii for how the community is viewing his posts
That sequence of events sums up a recent experience for me. I withheld the name, he outed himself. I still don't know why. It took an awkward, regrettable situation and made it even more awkward and regrettable. Bottom line: Give your suspected bad trader plenty of time to make it right before starting a thread. When you're sure, out him.
F. You post about a bad trader who turns out to be yourself. Every night when you went to sleep, an alternate personality took over, traveling across the country to buy beer and set up trades with your conscious self. Because each morning you wake up without realizing what your alternate self did, it is your alternate self's attempt to communicate with your conscious self. However, your alternate self stops awakening after you start taking sedatives to cope with your lack of sleep, thus failing to hold up his end of the bargain. He lies in dormant agony, unable to fulfill his duties as he painfully and helplessly watches his reputation dismantled through your eyes.
Is his user name projectmayhem?
that happened to this guy
But..but...he's the "nicest guy in the world"
Separate names with a comma.