Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by nas4atu, Mar 10, 2012.
Not what I said...
In Richmond, 3 non-TW's got it but they had a list for the sales so if you weren't on it then...TW is oding a ticketed release for a 2 bottle purchase. Dunno about waiting in line at a retailer to purchase beer...
Yes it is. But hey I'm glad those new people who haven't spent a dime on their products got it!
Behavior like this ought to be reported to Founders. I doubt they want asshats like this tarnishing their brand.
I didnt say that if you did not get kbs, then you should stop buying their product, which is what you implied.
What I said was new people to founders products will possibly become more excited about founders, because of kbs.
I think this situation is like free advertisement for the brewery. If I was founders I would have done the exact same thing.
Every shop I go into has people talking about founders/kbs.
Sorry, but I dont agree with your interpretation of what I said. If I didnt get kbs I would still buy founders products, because they are fantastic.
I live in NE Ohio..I guess I'm kinda lucky, my Local bttl Store that I frequent, gave me a call 2 let me know.. asked me if I wanted a 4pk (musta' been the limit..they only got 2 cases of it in).. They said I'm a Valued customer, so I was 1 of the few Privleged. It's (so) nice 2 be a VIP (not so sure it's the best 2 have it Only be at a Beer shop..Lol). Tho I am on a bit of a "special" list..I've ordered numerous things, & at times cleaned their House of "Worthy" offerings. ;p
- I paid $20.99 for it + tx. I'm not "Huge" on BS's...BUT Founders KBS is THE best no doubt. I don't mind droppin' $$ on Great brews @ all, no matter if its a Bunch or just a Little, espec. if its Also just Once or a cpl times outta the year.
- I'll also give Anything a (fair) chance..I'm kinda a Picky Bastard tho, so...
I also doubt anyone that has not spent a dime on founders got KBS, but people who have had a few of their beers, now may be more inclined to buy more.
I would report the guy to Founders. They may not allow him to get anymore in the future and give it to a responsible seller. I talked to the head brewer at a dinner here in NC one time and was watching his neck vein pop out as he was disgusted by all the crazy amounts people were asking for on eBay. He was most pissed about the price-gauging.
Read my post #74
Please out this store so we know never to go there!
Single bottles in NW Indiana. Local shop only got two cases; selling at $7 per bottle. Got my one for the year... lol
Well, maybe they don't care then. They certainly could do something about it. Claiming it's out of their hands once they sell to the distributor is simply not true. RR has managed to refuse distribution of their products to accounts who jack up the price on Pliny the Younger before.
KBS gives the brewery a lot of leverage because of the additional sales it creates, particularly for Founders other products. I imagine there are enough beer distributors around that they can legitimately threaten distributors who refuse to pull beer from accounts that price gouge. And I have to think it would be incredibly bad for business for a distributor to go against the wishes of one of the top 5 mid-size breweries in the country when it comes to refusing distribution to price gougers.
I can't drive a car with one wheel to the office, I can however drink a single bottle of beer.
Yeah I dont know, thats just what they say and they've said it over and over again. Also like I said even when people say something nothing gets done...so yeah I figure they just don't care no matter what they say to people in public.
Asked my sister in law, who lives in Michigan, to pick me up some and she was charged $49.99 per 4pack! The guy got 3 4packs and sold all of them to her for $150! She didn't know how badly she was being ripped off until I told her. She called the owner and he said, "Fine, bring them back. Someone else will buy them for that price or even more." What a dick. I think I'm going to have her return them today, I can't pay that kind of price. That's absurd.
so i got a call from one of the many shops that i frequent and was told that they were holding a bottle for me but in order to purchase it i have to buy another founders six pack.... I asked if they still had any breakfast stout and she says "yes but you have to buy a six pack and that is just a four pack..." I get the logic behind this, but am I the only one who finds this practice to be a little shifty?
Evidently, KBS distribution amounts are tied to the volume of other Founders beers that the place sells - so by buy other Founders beers, you're ensuring future KBS distribution. That said, pretty weird they wouldn't be satisfied with your buying a 4-pack in addition.
like i said, "i get the logic behind this"
Right on. What a thoughtful observation.
In our area, the local GROCERY stores got it. Despite the ire of many folks against Founders, how much the various establishments get is completely dependent on the distributors. Previously those that carried the craft beer flame before it became so popular received the lionshare of these releases and it usually went under the radar. The breweries face an awkward situation with the distributors and typically leave them alone. Founders has indicated they want to eliminate gouging but would have to go through the individual distributors and placing restrictions on them is a bit of a conflict of interest. Founders is trying to do their best but will never make everyone happy--cannot fault them in the least.
This will continue to get worse before it gets better. I am very excited to see how many local breweries are producing outstanding product to match these releases. Olde Hickory (Hickory, NC) and their Event Horizon and their recent small release of a DIPA (Redeemer) aged in bourbon barrels would stand up to about anything in the country.
The store by me that has it is selling single bottles only, first come first serve. The catch? You have to buy a separate Founders 4 pack at full price just so you can get the bottle of KBS for $6.99. Do I really want to go to those lengths to get one bottle? I'm thinking I'm just gonna pass. The juice isn't worth the squeeze...
Are people actually paying that much per bottle? I think that is ridiculous, but if people are buying it then I cant really blame the seller as bad as it is for the consumer.
How would you guys go about reporting a shop that keeps all theirs and sells them in their bar next door at $10+ while lying to the customers about it being sold out? This is not good business and I am sure Founder's would like a heads up about it.
The one redeeming thing at least is FBS (one of the best coffee beers) and FRIS (the best non barrel aged RIS I have ever had) are incredible beers.
As per the limit at my shop, they had a 2 bottle limit at $4.99 each and a 1/2 pint draft was $8.00.
I may well know, and patronize, the store you're discussing. I don't find it shifty at all. In order for this retailer to get allocations of Founders more highly allocated brews, they need to move normal Founder's inventory. They're too small to move as much Founder's as they'd like otherwise. Thus, if you want the special brews, you have to buy a 6-pack of normal brews too.
IMO, it makes great sense. It prevents the ass-hats who only go to a store to buy a beer like KBS from being able to walk away without giving the store additional business, and it helps ensure that specialty brews will keep coming in for those who frequent the store. Plus, a six-pack of All Day IPA or Founders Porter isn't too difficult to stomach.
Edit** To the 4-pack point, those items are seasonal and don't count in the totals that the distributor looks at when deciding how to allocate the special brews. They only look at the very basic year round sales. At least this was what I was told by the perosn in charge of the beer program for this store.
I was up at holiday too. Ashley and the crew do a good fair job.
I agree with you. Although I live no where near MI and was able to secure some KBS this year for the first time ever I would have no issue with releases like this being brewery only. FFF and Cigar City do it with their big boys and I think Bell's used to with Black Note or if it was distributed I never saw it and did procure a 4-pack this year which I was surprised to. Here Surly pulled back to MN because they couldn't keep up with demand, once they build the new brewery I am sure they'll be able to start distributing again. In fact rumor has it the second shipment of Darkness that hit shelves here was slated for Chicago, but they decided to please the locals and do a surprise shipment (it literally was like a couple months or so after the initial shipment, crazy).
But eh, some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope as my dad would say.
I was trying to point out the logical fallacy in what you were saying. You were comparing selling a car with one wheel with breaking up a four pack of beer and selling them as single bottles; A car sold with a single wheel is useless for its intended purpose; a mode of conveyance. A single bottle of beer taken from a four pack and sold by itself can still be used for its intended purpose; fuelling your terrible rage posting.
Although Founders has said they want to know who the gougers are, they have little control over how the distributors "distribute." With their facility expansion and footprint getting bigger, there is a conflict of interest here. I do hope that places that gouge in the store are somehow held accountable. A friend of mine who runs a store says the releases really aren't money makers with so little to distribute and just lead to hard feelings.
I don't really have a problem with selling it in a bar. The markup in a bar to 10$ is on par and in fact when you see the per bottle price for most craft beers, not as bad. It would give those that don't have the opportunity to stand in line and chase trucks during the daytime a realistic shot for a bottle. Folks can choose not to go there for anything in the future if it really rubs them wrong.
I was able to pick up 2 bottles yesterday from the kind souls at Charleston Beer Exchange
at this point it's not even about hype anymore...some people seem awfully bent out of shape about this release, honestly if you can get it that's awesome...if not then you can always trade for it. if you keep stressing about one beer like KBS in particular then how are you even going to enjoy it once you do get it, or anything else for that matter?
I paid 6 a bottle including tax. I got four because the beer guy is solid, and I shop there all the time, but the store was running a 2 bottle limit.
One store near me only had 2 bottles total (which I'm pretty sure they bought from another store, I think they did this with BCS as well) going for 11 a pop. Crazy.
I only tried two places so I guess I lucked out.
I have heard about how they barrel-age and that is definitely not the problem. They could barrel age as much beer as they want. I know that they also have there Red Rye aging in barrels just for testing.
There is no shortage of barrels if that's what your saying. They could definitely make more.
I had to buy two bottles from two places to make up a four pack costing me $35.00 bucks lol!
Wow so they force you to buy a 4 pack and then for your trouble on top of that mark up the singles too. Nice.....
Unfortunately someone probably will.....and the beat goes on
Never had central waters, but I think KBS is far better than bourbon county. I do feel bad that sometimes my beer guy doesn't get a bottle of some limited releases because it goes so fast.
Sort of what I'm saying. But was thinking more along the lines of the SPACE it would take up to sit on KBS year round essentially. They need to be able to BA other beers as well. They can't really win. If they made twice as much KBS and didn't barrel age anything else, KBS would still be gone in a day in march, and come november I would bet people would be pissed about so little Backwoods Bastard. Its just a lot of space to tie up for one beer.
On the shelves at Superstar Bev in Bayport, NY. 2 per customer. Get your arses down there if you're near, because if there's any left saturday night I'm grabbing more heh.
I got the heads up from my local beer guy. 2 bottles. Sweet! I'll take it. I think they only got a case or two- in that circumstance you can't really sell it in 4pks.
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