Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by RacerX5k, Feb 19, 2013.
first SHELF whale =)
I completely agree. $200 will buy you two cases of Heady Topper and 5 bombers of Hill Farmstead beer (as it did for me this weekend).
I hate you. I'm still out there shooting for my first.
for anyone who wanted to see the actual listing ... its still up.
Ah ok that's different, I thought you saw it posted for sale, came here and asked what you should do and by the time you decided you wanted to do it all of it was gone. I feel better now.
Bravo for that store not charging some crazy amount per bottle though.
You think that's sad? Let me tell you the story of my bottle of Rare:
It was November of 2011, and I was scrounging around Long Island beer stores for any rare beers for Christmas when I came across a store's website touting bottles of the Rare. I very promptly made my way over and bought a bottle; it would be for my brother and I to split for Christmas as the whole family would be making the pilgrimage back home. Around the same time, my sister got sick, and swearing by tea with bourbon as a home remedy for the cold, she whittled down a bottle of nice bourbon I had. After I while, I told her enough was enough, start using something less expensive. Little did I know.
A week later, I had a few buddies over, and I went to show them my haul -- only to find it already cracked open, albeit completely full. She went scrounging around the liquor cabinet, found something that said bourbon on it, found it to be bottle capped, grabbed a bottle cap opener, cracked open the bottle, and poured a few ounces into her tea. At no point did she pause and think to herself that something didn't make sense.
Her apology consisted of a sincere promise that she'd find a bottle to replace it. Take a guess as to how that went.
I have been fortunate enough to have had Rare on multiple occasions. I'd also be willing to argue I have had as much vintage BCBS (back to 08) as anyone (at least according to Untappd stats). With that in mind, I would trade my 2009 BCBS in a freaking heartbeat for Rare any day. Also, I will admit that I regularly check the Bay to see if any Rares sneak on there. If one did, I'd be willing to pay at least twice what you mentioned above and I wouldn't think twice.
Every time I see these kinds of threads, I wonder how much the name Rare contributes to a subconscious lust for this beer. It's an excellent beer, but it incites a level of devotion I can't imagine for any single bottle.
Personally, I would argue if any hype attached to it, the reason was the fact it used Pappy 23 more so than the Rare name. People forget that when this came out and the baords bashed it for its price and hype and it sat on the shelves for quite some time (not just in Kentucky ). Then people started to try it (not an easy leap at $50 per bottle) and raved and the bottles slowly disapeared from the shelves. By the time the reviews caught up and passed the price tag, Rare was gone from the shelves.
Personally, the Pappy 23 is a big factor, but the biggest is that Rare was barreled for so long compared to stabdard BCBS. I think it went from negative hype (due to price) to massive positive hype (due to reviews and scarcity). IMO
A little, I'd argue that it's more of a perfect storm of psychological desirability factors with genuine quality that drive it into an impossible realm. The same thing happened with KH for the same reasons.
You're rewriting history. There was a huge to-do about it before it was ever released and people were snatching up bottles left and right because ZOMG! THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT AGAIN! A few people might have laughed at the price..before they purchased a bunch and squirreled them away in 'cellars'.
I don't know how you separate my point from "the perfect storm of psychological desirability" factors, one of the most important of which is that "It's hard to get". Why was it hard to get? There were 12,000 bottles at one time, but through the repetition of calling it rare, it suddenly became so, and people weren't going to pass up a rare bottle on the shelves, even at $45. I'd argue that the name alone has a highly psychological effect of making people believe what they're constantly saying or typing. The say it until it's true problem.
Edit: Beatification had a 12,000 bottle release and it's been about 8 months since it sold out from the brewery. Do you think it's rare? If you don't, but you think BCS Rare is, then why? The initial numbers were practically the same.
I should have mentioned I was only speaking for my market, but in NYC and Long Island (pretty high demand markets for the top stuff), I bought my first bottle on 1/8/11 and my last bottle on 4/16/11. 3+ months on the shelves is lot for a beer like that.
It was hard to get because GI distributed it to a bunch of states, same as all the shelfwales. But I don't even think that's all that important (I also didn't think it was very hard to get for the first few weeks it was around, but that's neither here nor there). The "perfect storm" I mentioned was the price, the presentation, the explicit one-time-only branding (the name is part of this, but I don't think it's a particularly important part, pretty much anything connotating exclusivity could have worked in place of "rare"), and the same general issues with thin distribution (although in this case I think that was mitigated by the price).
I think you're assigning entirely too much importance to the name. Plenty of things use "rare" as a form of advertising and it typically doesn't work to this extent. Rare had the existing brand as well as the other things I mentioned going for it. I mean, do you think the same product called "Bourbon County Awesomesauce" would have ended up any differently?
Why the bloody fuck do you think I think Rare is rare? I never said that, I just said it was a combination of psychological factors (which I didn't enumerate in my original post, but do in this one) combined with real high quality that caused it. I have no idea why on god's green earth you'd think that I claimed that anywhere.
Regardless, I don't think Rare is really rare. Which is humorous but not particularly concerning to me since there are many things that go into making a whale besides bottlecount.
To answer even more dumbly, Rare is rarer than Beatification because I have way more Beatification than Rare.
Firestone Anniversaries 10-13
All came before.
I'm happy I finally get to have one, I traded a BA Kopi Speedway for one =]
Mike is truth. I stand by my statements in earlier threads.
Easily worth $75.00 to me. I still have one of my original purchased.
1 and 2 have been sufficiently addressed
3- No. Opened one new years eve, it was great
4- No. Retail cost was the most I have ever spent for a beer, and I certainly wouldn't pay nearly double that.
09 12oz are still hot. Noticeably different than 07, 08, and 10-12. To me anyway. Every year I hope the 09 mellows a bit, but it's still hot in a way the other years never were.
Whoa whoa we whoa. King of the castle! King of the castle!
Just tried Rare for the first time at an amazing free tasting in Chicago last weekend. It was the first thing I tried that day, and I was blown away. That being said, someone dropped off a King Henry for the tasting an hour later and that may have been better. Or I was a bit tipsy. Either way, I want to trade for them both.
I wouldn't pay $75 for any beer. Ever. I am sure Rare is tasty stuff, but that's just too much money for a beer.
I think I could happily go the rest of my life without seeing the words "Bourbon county", "BCBS" or any variations of those on these boards again.
I am going to make an awesome beer and name it Whale beer! Its going to make me rich when I sell it
first shelf whale for him
Buy one. At least for the experience. Argueably not only the best stout, but best beer I've ever had.
Whoa dude. I'm on my smartphone, so posting a longer response is a PITA, but it wasn't an accusation nor was it meant to assume too much. In context, the question was meant to elucidate thought processes in general as well as trying to bring home the point in a tangible way. It seems that failed, but I don't know why it was such an offensive point, either.
I'd buy 2 @ that price. Still available?
That is unfortunate, but really goddamn funny from a shadenfreude perspective. I hope (selfishly) that you have more stories like that to share.
It wasn't offense, but I just had no idea why you responded the way you, it was almost as though you read something completely different from what I posted.
Tried it for the first time about a month ago. Bottle #3348. I know I'll get shredded for it, but to be completely honest, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's a great beer, but I didn't find it life changing in any way whatsoever. I wouldn't pay the original price for it, let alone $75.
Ill trade you a bottle of the 1999 Vintage of King Cobra for it. Signed by Kid Rock. Deal?
I traded 2 tickets to FoBAB last year for a bottle of Rare, Vanilla and an 09 bomber. I could no longer make it and tickets were about $90 with fees so I was pretty happy with the deal.
It sat on shelves in Chicago for at least a month, probably longer. I promise you. Vanilla went MUCH faster, because of the price point.
And I agree with the notion that the length of barrel aging may have more to do with the difference in taste than the barrel source. I would love GI to barrel age some stuff for two years in the Heaven Hills barrels to see what the result was.
No need to chase a whale when there are so many other delicious fish in the sea.
All this Rare talk. Guess it's time to crack one open this weekend.
Well, your statement was pretty vague, to be fair. And then, I slipped into some stream of consciousness because I had about 14 thoughts that sprung to mind without actually making it known that I was extending my earlier thoughts based on what you said. I do that once in awhile, so I apologize.
we did that as well although it was a year+ ago. as good as '09 BCS was it came across as diluted and relatively weak as compared to the Rare. by doing a side-by-side we basically wasted an '09 BCS.
nice. turns out i will get my first (shelf) whale after all. beer guy just called, he has one for me. saw this chatter and called. the power of beeradvocate.
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