Discussion in 'Beer News' started by yamar68, Mar 2, 2012.
BBC News' take on shifting beer trends in the UK:
This seems to be the case in the US too. I would be willing to bet that most BAs prefer ales over lagers.
Problem is they seem to be equating Lager to cheap, crappy beer. They should be focusing on the fact that people are falling out of love with shitty beer that happens to be mostly lager.
There are very few lagers that are good. Simple fact. Its a bland broad term than encompasses many bland styles. Just my .02
Ale yeasts create beers with huge ranges of flavors to which the more discerning beverage fan inevitably gravitates. As a poster commented above, more beverage fans are becoming more discerning. OTOH beers like Hoponius Union show that with a bit of creativity lager yeasts used in non traditional ways can produce beers of similar taste, and gain a similar following.
"There are very few lagers that are good. Simple fact. Its a bland broad term than encompasses many bland styles. Just my .02"
Don't know where to start with a post so completely without merit lol, so I will let its repetition here allow others to judge for themselves.
In the UK, a new generation of young beer drinkers, known as "lager louts," drink lager in the pub because it's generally higher alcohol than cask ale. Here we have our own group of fools who, out of a similar form of ignorance, think that well-crafted lighter lagers are inherently inferior to high-alcohol ales.
Lagers also don't need to be light.
I am always on the lookout for a good lager. IMO making a lager that stands out with the craft beer community is harder than almost any other style because automatically a lot of beer drinkers will dismiss it as "just another lager" whereas if you make an IPA people don't judge it as fast.
That being said Victory's Prima Pils is absolutely amazing and one of the best lagers you could ever drink. In my opinion.
I'm glad to see that we're above trotting out tired clichés in the absurd and unnecessary 'ales vs. lagers' debate.
I am no beer snob. I used to enjoy an ice cold Budweiser occaisionally, but Inbev is not making the same product as AB. It is weaker and tastes watered down.
Most Beer Advocates? Or most Beer Advocate members?
If you truly know and enjoy beer, you would find greatness in both bottom and top fermenting styles.
To the OP -- since the indigenous style of beer in England is well-made Ale, I'm glad to see that maybe the "light lager" fad is fading.
Fortunately, it's not a simple fact and worth just about all of that 2 cents.
Find a Capital Maibock, a Schlenkerla Märzen, an Ayinger or Weiehnstephan Doppelbock, a fresh from the tap Hofbräu Helles, a Victory Prima Pils (to name a few among many) and tell me they're bland. If you can, you are fooling yourself and cutting your beer enjoyment in half.
There are a lot of good lagers and many are easy to find. Victory prima pils is a great example, as is Samuel Smith's pure brewed lager, Anchor steam. I could go on.
I think both parts of that post are accurate. The 'standard lager' served in British pubs is, for the most part, crappy (although usually but not always cheap) beer. The only thing that depresses me about this story is that it's taken so bloody long for it to happen. About 35 years since the lager fad began, I think.
I don't think that discriminating palates need "huge ranges of flavors" to satisfy them. In fact, it's probably just the opposite. Enjoying smooth and subtle flavors (not bland, mind you) shows insight and understanding of what that particular beer can and should be.
Which is not to say that you can't enjoy the big an bold flavors as well, just that I don't believe there's any sort of "gravitation" once you really take the time to understand all that beer is and can be.
I will agree that the Ayinger and Weiehnstephaner are very good. There are many I don't enjoy. There are a couple that I do. I shouldve clarified a bit more.
Coors might be just as bad, though they've managed to put out a decent tasting lager (yes, despite being the hated BMC) in "Batch 19", a theoretically "lost" recipe from the pre-prohibition vaults. Had one at a pizza joint in Idaho Springs, and it was fairly decent.
The article is essentially just talking about the lagers that are typically consumed in the UK...which aren't all that different from the mainstream stuff we have over here in the US. From what I've seen, Stella, Carling Black Label, Foster's, & Corona are the lagers they're referring to. Sounds pretty similar to the US and Canadian markets, which are slowly losing ground to better beers (and wine/spirits), too.
People (yup, even on here) always tend to lump lagers together, which is kind of stupid. A Kolsch (an ale) has more in common with a macro lager than it does an Imperial Stout, while a doppelbock (a lager) has more in common with a Scotch ale than it does a light lager. Yes, yeast is important - but grouping beers as lagers and ales for the sake of making a style argument is ignorant.
The HELL! you say!
Jess kiddin', I completely agree.
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