Lagers and Ales... can't we all just get along?!

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BigBarley, Feb 24, 2013.

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yep -- the diversity in beers available these days is just too vast to settle on one thing only, let alone proclaim it King of the World.

    When I first picked up one of Jackson's books in the late 80s what struck me was the wide variety of beers the world around. It made me want to visit each and every spot to try the beers being highlighted. I'm pretty close to that goal!
     
  2. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    How about Samichlaus vs Hoegaarten (enjoy both by the way)
     
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  3. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I still say if you're a "beer drinker" and can't yet appreciate a great pils your palate hasn't arrived yet.
     
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  4. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,206) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    At least one of the different kinds of pilsner. My wife's as geeky as they come but Czech pilsners disgust her. Can't say I'm a huge fan either. However German one (especially the Franconian ones like Herren Pils) are among my favorites.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,611) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I would just like to throw out the old saying.

    "If you can brew a good Pilsner, you can brew anything."
     
  6. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,765) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Can you post your recipe?
     
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  7. dar482

    dar482 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,039) Mar 9, 2007 New York
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    Anyone have some favorite lagers that they would like to share? Including American ones?

    Mine are Ayinger Celebrator, Schlenkerla Marzen, Pilsner Urquell, Victory Prima Pils.
     
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  8. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    You know nothing about beer.
     
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  9. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    I cringe. I cringe deep.
     
  10. ESHBG

    ESHBG Pooh-Bah (2,099) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep an eye out for it!
     
  11. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,053) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    It's for 30 gallons. I could try and scale it down, but I'm not at all sure it'd produce the same results. I will say, however, that one of the most satisfying things was that I managed to produce exactly what I was going for while simplifying both the recipe and process considerably. Happy to provide the 30 gal recipe and #s (including things like efficiency, fermentation temps over the course of the 5 weeks, amounts of yeast nutrient added, etc.) if you like.
     
  12. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,628) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I have been a vocal advocate of lagers here on the forums for a bit now. In all my conversations I have noticed two things: one good, one bad.

    The good. Many people have the attitude of "if it's good I'll drink it, doesn't matter if it's a lager or an ale."

    The bad. The hate is one sided. I have never seen a self-proclaimed lager lover hating on ales, but I have seen ale lovers hating on lagers. Stuff like "lagers suck" or "lagers are weak" or "lagers are swill" are sentences I have seen. I have never seen anyone write those sentences with ale as a replacement.

    My position is that of, if it's good I will drink it. Right now I lean heavy towards lagers. I cry tears for the fact that Sierra Nevada Glissade is no more and that Victory St. Boisterous is now draft only (and not near me). With that said, in my fridge is a solid supply of 3 Beans, Mayflower Porter and Torpedo. I write stuff on beeradvocate promoting lagers not because I think they are superior, but because I wish they got more love. The way I see it, the more interest generated in them, the more likely breweries make them. I'd like to see that, as having an equal amount of Helles Bocks as DIPA's at my local bottle shop would be better than having one million options for DIPA's and a dusty old sixer of Helles in the corner.
     
  13. BlackDragon

    BlackDragon Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Michigan

    why some people have already told me some Baltic porters are made using lager yeast and I like arcadia ales shipwreck porter
     
  14. diesel59

    diesel59 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 New York

    listen....... yesterday, I was drinking Schaefer out of a can............. today, I am drinking Victory Ranch DIPA on tap out of a snifter............. IMO......... its all good........... :sunglasses:
     
  15. diesel59

    diesel59 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 New York

    that looks very refreshing......................
     
  16. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    We're not comparing shit beer w/ ales but lager w/ ales.
     
  17. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,053) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Nothing personal, but it's analogous to a BMC drinker who goes to a craft brewery and says they'd love to try a craft ale that tastes like Bud Light. Just because the place may have a Blonde Ale to offer, doesn't mean that the Bud drinker has now become truly adventurous.

    On the contrary, the rebellion among many craft drinkers against anything resembling BMC has gotten so extreme as to bring them full-circle, so that many now stand back-to-back with -- and share nearly identical exclusive views with -- the very drinkers of the brews they rebelled against.
     
  18. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I hear ya but I find that dramatic a difference in response to two styles that closely related very surprising.
     
  19. diesel59

    diesel59 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 New York

    Ha Ha Ha................ always remember your roots................ many of us cut our teeth on this stuff........
     
  20. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    California only release. Bummed.

    Their Bock is undervalued, IMO
     
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