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Father's Office II
Taps: 40 / Bottles: 30
Cask: N / Beer-to-Go: N
$$$ - a bit pricey
[ Bar, Eatery ]
3229 Helms Avenue
phone: (310) 736-2224
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Reviews by czechsaaz:
vibe: 3.5 | quality: 5 | service: 3 | selection: 3.5 | food: 5 | $$$
The "new" F.O. (check out my review of the original if you want some back story) is both better and worse than the orignial.
There's a replica of the neon sign of the original and the same wood paneled "feel" but the two places are very different
The good: 72 taps.
The bad: 36 beers (mirrored selections for each side of the bar)
The good: 3 times as big as the original with a super long bar with comfy stools.
the bad: As crowded as the old one and people hovering if you look finished. (No, I don't care if you are waiting on food and I'm done eating. I'm ordering more beers, get the eff away from my table.)
The crowd? There's a pretty high L.A. douchebag factor. You know, the entitlement thing which leads me to:
EVERYBODY GET OVER THE NO SUBSTITUTIONS! If you want your food cooked to your specifications instead of the chef's, may I suggest the Sizzler or Burger King? When I see a wannabe actor/model pitch a fit 'cause they won't take cheese off the burger or "Hold the onions" (Never a please, just demanded) I want to beat the crap out of them for the benefit of the staff who must enforce the chef's rules. Just eat what Sang makes. It's really freakin' good. He's a four-star chef and he's great at what he does. Get over yourselves. You know less about food than him, deal! Try something off the specials too 'cause that's what's in season at the moment and occasionally life-changing taste experiences.
On the flip side of the L.A. douchebag factor there's the female crowd. Lots of pretty model looking girls with fashion that barely stays above the line of what I would call porn star or stripperwear. But dressing in your finest to visit a beer bar is wrong on so many levels.
So F.O. 2 manages to encompass everything I love about the original but unfortunately tosses in a lot of what I don't miss about living in L.A.
06-19-2009 15:32:58 |
More by czechsaaz
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vibe: 3.5 | quality: 3.5 | service: 4 | selection: 4 | food: 2 | $$$
On the site of what once was Helm's Bakery is Fathers Office II. Back in the day Helm's was the baking Co. for L.A. The site has been wonderfully restored into shops and restaurants.
When I arrived here I sat at the bar, something I would later regret, it was not busy, like two other people at the bar. No RR brews so I tried the Craftsman 1903, a very nice brew on a warm day, and I ordered the famous Fathers Office burger. I soon realized this is a order at the bar type of operation, and by the time I left there were people on both sides of me ordering and they were even handing menus over my head to people behind me. Now I dont question the dozens of reviews that say the burger was two things, big and jucy. I dont know what they served me but mine was not neither big or jucy, I ordered it medium and it was dry and mostly tasteless. I asked for mustard, I like mustard instead of ketchup and they dont have it and no ketchup either.
So let me finish, and I hope my review does not get removed, but if a restaurant serves burgers and fries and they dont have mustard or ketchup that restaurant sucks!!
10-02-2011 19:45:49 |
More by VegasBill
vibe: 4 | quality: 4 | service: 4.5 | selection: 4 | food: 4.5 | $$$
Just went here for the first time tonight. Its got a gastro pub atmosphere - order everything at the bar and find a seat to wait for your food. There are no waiters, but the bartenders are really friendly and helpful. They also seem to have a decent knowledge of beers with a pretty good selection to back them up.
The beer menu by coincidence had a number of my favorite micro-breweries - Unibroue, Allagash...just to name a few.
The food is great - although you can't change anything (my girlfriend didn't want the blue cheese on her burger, but the chef sticks with what he's made and doesn't waver). They also won't give you anything other than what comes with your food - we were denied ketchup for our fries. But, that being said my food was pretty amazing so I'll give it to the chef - You know what you're doing.
I'd definitely give them a go if you want a nice relaxing night at a trendy spot with a pretty decent selection of beers.
09-26-2011 02:04:40 |
More by blincoln
vibe: 4 | quality: 4.5 | service: 4 | selection: 4 | food: 4 | $$$
Atmosphere- The place hosts an array of patrons from white hairs to young bloods. The decor is rich with wood. People are friendly. A nice bar to be in, and it gets more fun as the night wears-on.
Quality- Appropriate glassware is used to serve all beers. Draught lines seem to be clean. The barspace itself was well-kept, and overall this place exhibited good quality.
Service- The service was very good... I mean the waitstaff and bartenders were very good... but certain policies out of their control force me to give a lower Service rating... like not being able to order a burger without onions or bacon... yes, you are not allowed to request any alterations to the Fathers Office burger... lame... Other than that, the waitstaff and bartenders were quite knowledgeable about their product and quite prompt with service.
Selection- With 36 taps and a couple dozen bottles, none of which are macro-brews, the selection is impressive... despite its low quantity of beers to choose from.
Food- My steak tasted great, but the meat was a little tough
Overall- I would definitely return here!
07-31-2011 07:30:59 |
More by jgasparine
vibe: 4 | quality: 4.5 | service: 3.5 | selection: 4 | food: 4.5 | $$$$
I have been to this Father's Office location a few times, most recently last night. The space is a pretty cool design with lots of wood and leather. They take the idea of a father's space seriously. The atmosphere is good with a wide variety of people of all ages crammed in a smallish location. They have a nice selection of constantly changing taps and bottles representing a good selection of styles. The food there is pretty awesome, especially their burger. The quality of the beer and food is very good. Service is above average but nothing special. You order all drinks and food at the bar and seat yourself. The only real complaint I have with Father's Office is their prices. Everything here seems so expensive for both beer and food. For example, their burger with the fries on the side will run you $15. I had a smaller pour of the 2011 Stone IRS and it was $8. This is a good place to come every once in a while when you have some extra cash to burn.
06-27-2011 02:39:24 |
More by UCLABrewN84
vibe: 4 | quality: 5 | service: 4 | selection: 4 | food: 5 | $$$
Father's Office II is arguably the most polarizing bar in Los Angeles. Aside from the high prices and the need to lurk/hover for a table, I have no complaints.
When it comes to beer, FO II always has something interesting on tap. Russian Rivers brews are usually on (they're one of the few bars in LA that gets Pliny the Younger). Unfortunately, most of the beers run $8.
I would dare say FO II has one of the most underrated kitchens in the city. Obviously the burger and the no substitution policy have been discussed to death (I happen to be a big fan). But the rest of the menu is just as good if not better. Always check the specials (had some terrific pigs ears during my last visit).
05-19-2011 18:15:59 |
More by dksl16
vibe: 4.5 | quality: 4.5 | service: 4 | selection: 4.5 | $$$
We walked in on a Tuesday night around 8:30 pm, and it was packed. The place features low lighting with classy and comfy interior. It's basically just a long room parallel with the long bar (all...those...taps!!), with indentions on either side, making for a kind of shallow "U" shape. And there's a large patio out front, with long wooden tables and bench-style seating. Music playing was Radiohead, which is always fine by me, and the service seemed knowledgable, friendly and quick, despite the fact that they were slammed when we got there.
Beer selection was incredible. Anyone that bitches about the selection is either a jaded beer-snob or someone who doesn't really like good beer. Served in appropriate glassware and (this is key) not too cold, there was really nothing not to like here. Sure, you could complain about the hipster/upscale sort of crowd, but anyone we bumped into and chatted with seemed cool enough. And you can't blame a bar for its clientele, can you? We were there for good beer, and we got it: Great Divide Ruffian, St. Bernardus Tripel, Avery Pilsner, Russian River Perdition, Pliny the Elder, AleSmith Anvil ESB.
The girl waiting the bar that night knew her beer. This was evidenced by two guys who walked in, asked her something like "what can you recommend that's going to blow our expectations about beer, what can you serve us that's going to shift the beer paradigm?" They were literally that specific and driven...probably new to good beer but obviously willing to learn. So I watched as she went to the taps and poured the dudes a Russian River Perdition and St. Bernardus Tripel. Like I said, not much to NOT like about this place...
12-23-2010 19:01:52 |
More by Metalmonk
vibe: 4 | quality: 4 | service: 4 | selection: 3 | food: 3 | $$$$
Visited on Saturday night, August 7th, 2010 at about 10:00pm.
F.O.2 has a very different vibe form the original F.O. - better-looking (LOVE the bathroom sink area!), darker, more intimate and less full of annoying people. In fact, less full in general. Despite it being prime time for beer drinking, my friend and I got a bar seat within a couple of minutes of arriving.
The waitstaff was uniformly friendly and moderately attentive.
The draft beer selection was well-chosen, though there was a tendency towards lighter beer styles (hefes, wheats, witbier, summer ales, etc...). Regardless, I was able to enjoy an Old Rasputin and put down a not-so-great Alalskan White.
The food? Expensive and overrated. The Office Burger has devolved from its origin as one of the great hamburgers into a bloody mess whose flavors, once distinct and savory and unique, are now a goopy melange of meat and some kind of leafy vegetable and bun. The original Office burger was great and virtually unequaled; this one wasn't even one of the best hamburgers I've had this year.
So... if I had to pick a Father's Office in which to have a beer and some food, this one would win hands down over the pretentious, unbearable original location. That having been said, I would rather go to Lucky Devil's, Blue Palms, Tony's Darts Away, Third Stop, Verdugo, Lucky Baldwin's or The Daily Pint. Heck, I'd probably choose a Gordon Biersch over F.O. It's not a bad place, but the hype train left the station long ago and is running at high speed on the F.O. establishments.
God help us if they ever jump on the food truck bandwagon...
08-11-2010 21:16:21 |
More by charlzm
vibe: 4.5 | quality: 5 | service: 4.5 | selection: 4.5 | food: 5 | $$$$
Decided to finally try out this place after some strong recommendations from fellow beer geeks....and boy, I'm glad I did.
A: A very upscale and "trendy-like" LA bar...but not in a bad way...just something I'm not used to seeing at a well put together craft beer bar. The inside has very contemporary feel to it, but also kind of cozy at the same time...this might be due to the limited amount of space. LOL. Could easily see myself chilling here for several hours with a beer and burger.
Q: Had some beer and food while I'll was there...both were served to highest quality. All the beers seemed to be fresh and free of any off flavors, and the grade of beef used on my burger was something I expect to find from a higher end restaurant.
S: The bartender's were very beer knowledgeable and quick to serve your every beer need. The food service was exceptional as well.
S: About 25-30 taps of higher end craft beer. Don't want to list them all, but some of the beers that I was tempted by included: PtE, Self-Righteous and Mahajara. To be honest, their line-up rivals any other LA beer bar...including Blue Palms and Verdugo.
F: This might have been my favorite part about Father's Office. I ordered their burger with fries....and it was totally awesome! The grade and choice of beef was superb, the cheese (not sure if it was agur cheese, but something similar to it) had a nice bite, and spinach leaves all worked together beautifully. I was almost tempted to order a second one...seriously.
Overall: A little out of the way and expensive for me, but I'll definitely be hitting this place up again soon. I highly recommend it to all beer and non-beer lovers. Cheers!
03-15-2010 00:42:18 |
More by OlieIPA
vibe: 4 | quality: 4 | service: 4 | selection: 4 | food: 5 | $$$
Alright - I was at FOII about a week ago and my friend who took me there did the right thing - we went at 3PM on a Saturday. So we sat at the bar with no problems and had very good service. I understand that it gets crazy busy and difficult to get seated but I can only review what I experienced.
The beer - they had around 40 taps with some very nice choices. They had The Abyss, Pliny the Elder, Hennepin, Prima Pils, some Craftsman brews and a bunch of other nice choices. I think most people would certainly not complain about the tap list.
We had a couple of tasty appetizers then I had the delicious burger and my friend had the mussels which were also tasty.
I have been to the other Father's Office and it was a pain. This one is a lot larger and from my experience much easier to deal with. I will go back on my next visit!
Oh - the bathrooms rock!! to the floor urinals and common sink area in the open that forces dirty people to wash their hands
01-22-2010 17:55:40 |
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